AND FROM SPIKE GARRETT
Happened upon your web site when trawling around for something on Wood Green Jazz Club and was fascinated to read about some old acquaintances and was gobsmacked to find the riverboat shuffle pic after all these years.
If my memory serves me correctly this was, in fact, a two band trip with the Dauphin Street and Stu Carter's band of the time. At the top of the pic the guy centre of the three is Bill Hollett and at left with walking stick is another Bush Hill lad known as Barry the Beetle (Ernie Barrett will know his surname).
The Carter band weren't in the picture as far as I know but given a closer inspection I might be in there somewhere - we were either there or first in line for the bar! A few corrections to text. I'm enclosing a pic of the Stuart Carter Dippermouth Jazzmen at the Hop Poles pub on Baker Street.
Tony Peters ran the club before he took up the bass and started the Bourbon Street Ramblers. From left to right, Les Buddle on trombone, Alex Munday on clarinet, Stu on trumpet (wearing his brothers golf shoes!), Spike Garrett (me) on drums, Paul Gerrard on banjo, Dave Peters on piano and an unknown soprano player. This would have been about 1954 before any of us were of drinking age but nobody seem to bother about that then, as you probably well know. I still have a Bourbon Street membership card knocking around somewhere at home. Tony ran the Hop Poles club for some time and it built up a good audience - we played on Mondays as none of us wanted to miss Wood Green on Sunday or Tuesday.
Tony also started some Sunday lunchtime sessions which attracted the Lightfoot brothers from Potters Bar and their trombone player, John Bennett (still with Kenny Ball). Stu was one of the first to be called up and the club moved to the Jolly Farmers with Colin Smith (Acker, Pizza Express Allstars, Charlie Watts Big Band) on trumpet, Les again on trombone, Alex on clarinet, Dave piano, Paul still on banjo, myself on drums and a guy called Ray Edwards on bass. Ray and I were both actually modern jazzers but were happy to just be playing.
Eventually the police raided the Farmers and Tony had to close down but then took up bass himself and started the Bourbon Street band. I played with them for a time but Les and I were called up and Jim Garforth took over from me. When we were demobbed Stuart started another band, more along mainstream lines with Alan Thomas on piano (ex-Sandy Brown), Ray on bass, Bernie Almond on guitar, and a trombone player and alto player whose names escape me (not Enfield lads). Eventually the trombone player and altoist left and Bob Roberts took over on trombone with Derek Almond on clarinet until the band fell apart. Les Buddle emigrated to Australia at around the same time as Don Cook, Stuart moved up to Liverpool and I moved on to a band called the Dave Kenny Combo (pops and r&b) before moving on with the bass player, Clive Felton and hitching up with pianist Benny Brice for about ten years playing Peterson-ish trio gigs.
I compiled a list recently of musicians I can remember from the Enfield/Edmonton/Potters Bar area for the 50s and 60s and came up with around fifty names. If I can be any help with memories, get in touch. Other pic is of the Soho Fair around 1958/9 when we crawled around
the streets picking up other musos to play on corners (allowed in those days). Far left Bob Roberts, trumpet Mike Bowery(or Barry) and second trumpet Stuart. I was off-picture playing snare drum and cymbal and the other guys we'd just met along the way.
Thanks Spike. I remember you and the Stu Carter band well. However, the ‘other’ band on the Shuffle but out of the picture was in fact Terry Lightfoot’s with Jimmy Garforth on drums. As you can see, we are building up a fair bit of history here!
AND HERE IS A STORY FROM THE BACK OF MY OWN SUB CONSCIOUS
How many Enfield Ravers remember the night we went to the St. Albans Jazz Club in a hired furniture van to watch the Dauphin Street Six?
It must have been around 1958-9 and we had a full complement of about twenty ravers all attired in our Bohemian garb. Met as usual at the door by the smiling Ken Lindsey, we clambered onto the floor and started jiving almost immediately.
It was a great evening I recall, with us and the band swinging along with all the energy we could muster. We had energy in those days: If only it could have been harnessed and hooked into the national grid, - it would have kept Enfield alight for a fortnight!
We had our renegades even in those halcyon days and there was one amongst us that evening.
The interval was over and the band was into its second or third piece, which, as it happened, turned out to be most appropriate - ‘Running Wild’. Suddenly, the doors flew open and in marched a half dozen uniformed police. The band continued playing as the officers went around the room eyeing each and everybody up.
One stood by the door and was asking questions, obviously offering a description of the person they were looking for. After a good half hour, during which the band managed to fit in a few more appropriate pieces, they left.
Suddenly there was an enormous clump. It was the coppers’ ’target’ dropping from the rafters. He had seen the ’cops’ coming and climbed up into the roof beams and witnessed everything going on, below as he sat there, swinging his legs. He was covered in thick dust but smiling his head off at having got one over on those ‘cops’, who, for some implausible reason, didn’t think to look up!
What he had done to deserve all the police attention, we never found out. I have often wondered, if after all these years, there’s still a warrant out for his arrest.
Needless to say, we all enjoyed the band and the wonderful sounds of early New Orleans jazz, but that evening’s cabaret was unforgettable.
John Bennett, Trombonist with Kenny Ball, Found our web site and sent in some pictures of, and information about the Stu Carter band. Here is an edited version of it and our subsequent cyber discussions:-
Re the picture of Mike Barry and Stu Carter - the banjoist in the picture is Bill Dixon, who joined the Kenny Ball Band in around 1960 and is, if my memory serves me right - the banjoist on Kenny Ball‘s early recording of Samantha. He is now living in Canada.
By chance I did a gig with Mike (Barry) only last night! I‘m enclosing some pictures of Stu‘s band taken at the Jolly Farmers in 1953. My mate Colin Smith took me there in his old jalopy: a rare MG that sported a pre-selected gearbox (whatever that is!) This, incidentally, was the very first time I sat in and played with a real band! Up till then I used to play along with Kid Ory records, and annoyed the neighbours in the flat upstairs.
I e-mailed back to thank him for the pictures and asked him if he is the John Bennett, trombonist with Kenny Ball
Yes I am that same John Bennett, still with the Kenny Ball band for the last 54 years! I must say I enjoyed coming across your web site - at the time I was trying to find a photo of the old Cooks Ferry Inn and the Ravers’ web site was an added bonus. As I mentioned in my email, by coincidence I had a gig that night with Mike Barry's band at Waltham Cross so I gave him a copy of that old photo. Pete Lay was on drums and I passed on to him the details of the web site as he was keen to know about it.
I'm still in touch with Les Buddle who's now in Australia. When our band tours Oz (not so often these days) he always comes along to gigs in Sydney with his wife Alice. In turn he put me in touch with Stu Carter (sadly no longer with us) and I saw him a few times when our band was in the Liverpool area. He invited me to play on some of his gigs but unfortunately I could never get there at the right time.
I have some more pic’s of those early days, and later ones, and I'll dig them out and send them to you.
All the best,
And so he did, along with accompanying notes.
On behalf of everyone here at the Bay, many thanks John.
My name is John Champness , and I was very interested to come across your website.
I used to go to the Haringay Jazz club as a youngster at Manor House. Also was an initial member at "the Barn" with the "Bourbon Street Ramblers." I remember Tony Peters very well and If my memory serves me right, his wife was a lady called Jean.
Jim Garforth was my best mate during schooldays and later adolescent life.
I came to Australia in 1960 and lost touch with everyone. However 40 years later through the magic of the Internet, I am back in touch with Jim who is living in Switzerland and still playing the drums.
I met Roy James at a school reunion in 1991 and also met up with him when he toured Australia with the Bilk band early in the sixties.
I was a pupil at The Enfield Central School in the 50's. I remember Robin Judd at school, whom I think would be your brother. I think he was in the year above me.
Great website and brings back a lot of happy memories. Perhaps on a trip back to the old place I will be able to visit the club. Cant promise when that will be however. I am still in touch with a few old school friends who used to be Trad Jazz enthusiasts .
John Champness Melbourne Australia.
Thanks John. Nice to hear from an old Raver - Keep in touch.